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Gallery(C) Jacquie Skadeland owner
Gallery(C) Jacquie Skadeland owner
Very Well Bred The puppies above are sired by Dakota Who's
Grandam Asterlings Aruba produced more Champions then any other
Golden Retriever... EVER.
Grandam Asterlings Aruba produced more Champions then any other
Golden Retriever... EVER.
All of our Puppies are whelped and raised in the home . They are born in the bedroom and
raised in the kitchen. Thus they are used to every household sound and activity imaginable.
This is critical in helping puppies to gain confidence ,who are happy with strong sense of self
who go on to become grounded loving ,non issue dogs who are secure companions. A well
raised puppy ( that means even starting from birth ) Will have a much better chance in staying
with his original owners for life, as they are a Pleasure rather then a Pain to have around!
raised in the kitchen. Thus they are used to every household sound and activity imaginable.
This is critical in helping puppies to gain confidence ,who are happy with strong sense of self
who go on to become grounded loving ,non issue dogs who are secure companions. A well
raised puppy ( that means even starting from birth ) Will have a much better chance in staying
with his original owners for life, as they are a Pleasure rather then a Pain to have around!
"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole."
- Roger Caras, 1928-2001
- Roger Caras, 1928-2001
Solhild, ...Our Resident peacock, our puppies are
exposed to everything including Solhild!
exposed to everything including Solhild!
Puppies spend lots of time outside to help develop social skills with other animals,
Play and explore,and to interact with all ages and stages of people.
Play and explore,and to interact with all ages and stages of people.
Dam of puppies Still Waters Lilly LOVES the water!
Lillys Puppies are raised with Children, and live in the HOUSE with
them from birth. When placed in homes with Kind children they are
wonderful companions for the whole family including little ones...
them from birth. When placed in homes with Kind children they are
wonderful companions for the whole family including little ones...
Lochlan learns how to throw the ball to a patiently waiting Lilly
Hello Jacquie!
It’s been a little bit since I sent pictures of Tug. He is doing really well…. Such a
bright boy! We took him to the beach for the first time in August, and just took him
camping this past weekend. I have a few pictures of him in the ocean. He LOVES
the water and will jump in the lake or anywhere we are to take a swim now. He’s
retrieving everything, and when I say everything I mean our clothes, shoes,
balls…whatever he can bring to you! We love him and he is a great joy in our lives
and addition to our family.
Enjoy! I will have more soon, these were the only ones I had at work today.
A D Quinn.
It’s been a little bit since I sent pictures of Tug. He is doing really well…. Such a
bright boy! We took him to the beach for the first time in August, and just took him
camping this past weekend. I have a few pictures of him in the ocean. He LOVES
the water and will jump in the lake or anywhere we are to take a swim now. He’s
retrieving everything, and when I say everything I mean our clothes, shoes,
balls…whatever he can bring to you! We love him and he is a great joy in our lives
and addition to our family.
Enjoy! I will have more soon, these were the only ones I had at work today.
A D Quinn.
Please read about our puppies from the April of 2008 litter
and how they are doing in their new homes! ....Stories below!
and how they are doing in their new homes! ....Stories below!
Lilly and Dakota puppy April 2008 litter.
Deep Roots photo Samantha Skadeland
Beach Golden by A. Quinn
Dakota is a beautiful dog with heavy bone and a flowing coat, a magnificent full mane and feathering
He has a broad skull, short muzzle, luminous brown, eyes and and a kindly expression. He is also
highly intelligent. Dakota is a wonderful companion to his family and friends alike And he possesses
an ideal Golden temperament. This temperament is priceless as he is known for stamping his puppies
with that treasured combination of good looks AND quiet temperment ! Want Well bred puppies?
Dakotas Grandmother Asterlings Aruba produced more Champion Golden retrievers than any other
Golden female.... Ever!
He has a broad skull, short muzzle, luminous brown, eyes and and a kindly expression. He is also
highly intelligent. Dakota is a wonderful companion to his family and friends alike And he possesses
an ideal Golden temperament. This temperament is priceless as he is known for stamping his puppies
with that treasured combination of good looks AND quiet temperment ! Want Well bred puppies?
Dakotas Grandmother Asterlings Aruba produced more Champion Golden retrievers than any other
Golden female.... Ever!
Thinking about a Golden Retriever as a pet?
Top 10 Reason NOT to get a Golden Retriever
(with apologies to Mr. Letterman)
By - Cheryl Minnier
· YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN “OUTSIDE ONLY” DOG. Part of what makes Goldens “Golden” is their affectionate, people
loving nature. This trait makes them VERY unhappy when they don’t have a high amount of interaction with you. A Golden
confined to the backyard can become destructive and LOUD! Imagine if you left your children alone most of the time until
they reached adolescence. The wild child you are picturing is similar to what will happen to a Golden left alone that much.
If you aren’t planning on your dog becoming one of the family – a Golden is not the breed for you!
· YOU DON”T LIKE DOG HAIR. Goldens shed – a little all year round and then a couple of times a year- look out! If you
have a problem with Golden fuzz becoming part of your dietary fiber or you’re compulsive about always dressing in black –
this is not the breed for you! Goldens also need regular grooming to keep their skin and coat in good condition. You can
easily learn to do this yourself or have your dog professionally groomed, but grooming time is something to factor into the
amount of time you will need to spend caring for your dog.
· YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR. Goldens are born with a sense of mischief. If you really see nothing funny about
waking up to a cold, slobbery tennis ball in your face or a puppy that decides that 2:00 a.m. is a great time to play fetch –
perhaps another breed or an older dog might be best.
· YOU ARE A CLEAN FREAK. Muddy paws, nose prints on every window in your house and car, and did I mention the
hair? Enough said… If you can’t relax and enjoy it, you and your dog will both be miserable.
· YOU ARE A COUCH POTATO AND HOPE YOUR DOG WILL BE TOO. Goldens are sporting dogs, bred to retrieve game all
day. They need regular exercise, especially as puppies, or they can become destructive and unhappy. If your longest walk
in the past month was from the couch to your bed – perhaps a more sedentary pet would better suit your needs?
· YOU LIKE EVERYTHING TO STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU PUT IT. Goldens have a last name - “Retriever”, from the Latin
meaning “to put EVERYTHING in your mouth and dance around with it!” The retrieving instinct SHOULD be a part of every
Golden so if you object strongly to your dog happily strutting out to greet company with your underwear in his mouth –
perhaps you should continue your search for the perfect breed.
· YOU ARE APPROACHING GETTING A DOG AS A TEMPORARY CONDITION. Not only are Goldens addictive – but also they
will also hopefully live a long time. Dog ownership is a commitment for the life of a dog. If you figure your dog will head for
the pound once the kids are in school – please reconsider getting a pet! Golden rescue is full of dogs that have lost their
homes as a result of changes in life circumstances. Some are not preventable and the dedicated volunteers who care for
these dogs are ready and willing to help – but the changes that ARE predictable should be taken into consideration
BEFORE making a commitment to a dog!
· YOU DON’T LIKE MEETING NEW PEOPLE. Your new family member will need obedience classes to help him become a
well-behaved canine citizen. This is a dangerously easy place to make friends. It is also impossible to walk down the
street with a beautiful Golden dog and NOT be stopped by strangers. Goldens are people magnets. Got a problem with
this? Maybe a something in the guard dog family would serve you better?
· YOU WANT TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK BREEDING DOGS. Last year Golden Retriever Rescue spent hundreds of
thousands of dollars working to save hundreds of dogs. Most of these dogs wound up in rescue because their owners had
little idea of the time, commitment and effort it takes to own a dog. And their breeders had little idea of the proper
techniques for placing puppies in the RIGHT homes. These rescue dogs are a testament to the fact that there are too
many carelessly bred Goldens. If Golden breeding is done right it is RARELY a profitable adventure. Health clearances,
veterinary care, and puppy supplies are just a few of the many expenses that occur as a result of an “uncomplicated”
litter. If you consider the possible problems you may encounter, it is easy to see why breeding is NOT a money making
venture!
· YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A GUARD DOG. Did I mention the part about Goldens loving everyone? They will be eager to
assist the thieves that are breaking into your home; probably even helping them carry out the silver. If you are looking for
protection this probably isn’t an endearing quality… maybe that guard dog is looking better.
· YOU LOOK AT THAT LITTLE 10-POUND BALL OF FUR AND OFFER UP A SILENT PRAYER THAT HE’LL STAY THAT SIZE.
Goldens should range from 21 inches at the shoulder to around 24 and weigh in anywhere from 50 to 80 lbs. This is a lot
of dog. If you don’t plan on heeding my advice about obedience classes, you may find yourself with an out of control, furry,
wiggly, monster with a tail that can clear a coffee table in one great swoop! As an alternative, there are several wonderful
smaller breeds (many without tails!) to choose from.
· YOU THINK DOGS MAKE GREAT NANNIES FOR SMALL CHILDREN AND A WONDERFUL LESSON IN RESPONSIBILITY FOR
OLDER KIDS. You are partly right. A Golden retriever and a child often form a loving, inseparable bond. However, the
ultimate responsibility for any living, breathing creature must always fall to an adult. Children can be wonderful dog
groomers, trainers and best friends, but they need adult guidance. You should also remember that Goldens are big
enough - even as puppies - to knock down a small child. Small children and dogs should ALWAYS be supervised when
together, for both their sakes!
AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON “NOT” TO GET A GOLDEN RETRIEVER….
· YOU THINK AN IDEAL PLACE TO GET ONE IS THE PET STORE IN YOUR MALL! Golden Retrievers can have several
potential health problems. Chief among these are Canine Hip Dysplasia - a sometimes crippling joint disease; sub-aortic
stenosis - a usually fatal heart defect; several inherited eye diseases that can blind or disable a dog; epilepsy, early onset
cancer and temperament problems ranging from hyperactivity to aggression. It is essential that you seek out a
responsible breeder if you are looking for a puppy or an established rescue group if an adult dog would fit your needs
better. For information on how to find a responsible breeder visit the Golden Retriever Club of America’s home page: www.
grca.org/ For help finding a rescue Golden, visit the list of Golden Rescues across the country: http://www.grca-nrc.
org/Localrescues.htm .
If you’ve run out of excuses NOT to “GO GOLDEN” – Congratulations! – you’re ready to be owned by a Golden Retriever!
… and yes, for the obsessive-compulsive types there ARE 13 reasons – not ten – but “the top 13 reasons” just sounded
silly :)
The National Rescue Committee is a committee of the Golden Retriever Club of America. For more information about the
GRCA Please click on their logo to the left.
Acceptance and use of the information contained on this web site constitutes an acknowledgment
that the user hereby releases and indemnifies the GRCA, and its officers, directors, members, and
agents from any and all liability
Top 10 Reason NOT to get a Golden Retriever
(with apologies to Mr. Letterman)
By - Cheryl Minnier
· YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN “OUTSIDE ONLY” DOG. Part of what makes Goldens “Golden” is their affectionate, people
loving nature. This trait makes them VERY unhappy when they don’t have a high amount of interaction with you. A Golden
confined to the backyard can become destructive and LOUD! Imagine if you left your children alone most of the time until
they reached adolescence. The wild child you are picturing is similar to what will happen to a Golden left alone that much.
If you aren’t planning on your dog becoming one of the family – a Golden is not the breed for you!
· YOU DON”T LIKE DOG HAIR. Goldens shed – a little all year round and then a couple of times a year- look out! If you
have a problem with Golden fuzz becoming part of your dietary fiber or you’re compulsive about always dressing in black –
this is not the breed for you! Goldens also need regular grooming to keep their skin and coat in good condition. You can
easily learn to do this yourself or have your dog professionally groomed, but grooming time is something to factor into the
amount of time you will need to spend caring for your dog.
· YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOR. Goldens are born with a sense of mischief. If you really see nothing funny about
waking up to a cold, slobbery tennis ball in your face or a puppy that decides that 2:00 a.m. is a great time to play fetch –
perhaps another breed or an older dog might be best.
· YOU ARE A CLEAN FREAK. Muddy paws, nose prints on every window in your house and car, and did I mention the
hair? Enough said… If you can’t relax and enjoy it, you and your dog will both be miserable.
· YOU ARE A COUCH POTATO AND HOPE YOUR DOG WILL BE TOO. Goldens are sporting dogs, bred to retrieve game all
day. They need regular exercise, especially as puppies, or they can become destructive and unhappy. If your longest walk
in the past month was from the couch to your bed – perhaps a more sedentary pet would better suit your needs?
· YOU LIKE EVERYTHING TO STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU PUT IT. Goldens have a last name - “Retriever”, from the Latin
meaning “to put EVERYTHING in your mouth and dance around with it!” The retrieving instinct SHOULD be a part of every
Golden so if you object strongly to your dog happily strutting out to greet company with your underwear in his mouth –
perhaps you should continue your search for the perfect breed.
· YOU ARE APPROACHING GETTING A DOG AS A TEMPORARY CONDITION. Not only are Goldens addictive – but also they
will also hopefully live a long time. Dog ownership is a commitment for the life of a dog. If you figure your dog will head for
the pound once the kids are in school – please reconsider getting a pet! Golden rescue is full of dogs that have lost their
homes as a result of changes in life circumstances. Some are not preventable and the dedicated volunteers who care for
these dogs are ready and willing to help – but the changes that ARE predictable should be taken into consideration
BEFORE making a commitment to a dog!
· YOU DON’T LIKE MEETING NEW PEOPLE. Your new family member will need obedience classes to help him become a
well-behaved canine citizen. This is a dangerously easy place to make friends. It is also impossible to walk down the
street with a beautiful Golden dog and NOT be stopped by strangers. Goldens are people magnets. Got a problem with
this? Maybe a something in the guard dog family would serve you better?
· YOU WANT TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK BREEDING DOGS. Last year Golden Retriever Rescue spent hundreds of
thousands of dollars working to save hundreds of dogs. Most of these dogs wound up in rescue because their owners had
little idea of the time, commitment and effort it takes to own a dog. And their breeders had little idea of the proper
techniques for placing puppies in the RIGHT homes. These rescue dogs are a testament to the fact that there are too
many carelessly bred Goldens. If Golden breeding is done right it is RARELY a profitable adventure. Health clearances,
veterinary care, and puppy supplies are just a few of the many expenses that occur as a result of an “uncomplicated”
litter. If you consider the possible problems you may encounter, it is easy to see why breeding is NOT a money making
venture!
· YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A GUARD DOG. Did I mention the part about Goldens loving everyone? They will be eager to
assist the thieves that are breaking into your home; probably even helping them carry out the silver. If you are looking for
protection this probably isn’t an endearing quality… maybe that guard dog is looking better.
· YOU LOOK AT THAT LITTLE 10-POUND BALL OF FUR AND OFFER UP A SILENT PRAYER THAT HE’LL STAY THAT SIZE.
Goldens should range from 21 inches at the shoulder to around 24 and weigh in anywhere from 50 to 80 lbs. This is a lot
of dog. If you don’t plan on heeding my advice about obedience classes, you may find yourself with an out of control, furry,
wiggly, monster with a tail that can clear a coffee table in one great swoop! As an alternative, there are several wonderful
smaller breeds (many without tails!) to choose from.
· YOU THINK DOGS MAKE GREAT NANNIES FOR SMALL CHILDREN AND A WONDERFUL LESSON IN RESPONSIBILITY FOR
OLDER KIDS. You are partly right. A Golden retriever and a child often form a loving, inseparable bond. However, the
ultimate responsibility for any living, breathing creature must always fall to an adult. Children can be wonderful dog
groomers, trainers and best friends, but they need adult guidance. You should also remember that Goldens are big
enough - even as puppies - to knock down a small child. Small children and dogs should ALWAYS be supervised when
together, for both their sakes!
AND THE NUMBER ONE REASON “NOT” TO GET A GOLDEN RETRIEVER….
· YOU THINK AN IDEAL PLACE TO GET ONE IS THE PET STORE IN YOUR MALL! Golden Retrievers can have several
potential health problems. Chief among these are Canine Hip Dysplasia - a sometimes crippling joint disease; sub-aortic
stenosis - a usually fatal heart defect; several inherited eye diseases that can blind or disable a dog; epilepsy, early onset
cancer and temperament problems ranging from hyperactivity to aggression. It is essential that you seek out a
responsible breeder if you are looking for a puppy or an established rescue group if an adult dog would fit your needs
better. For information on how to find a responsible breeder visit the Golden Retriever Club of America’s home page: www.
grca.org/ For help finding a rescue Golden, visit the list of Golden Rescues across the country: http://www.grca-nrc.
org/Localrescues.htm .
If you’ve run out of excuses NOT to “GO GOLDEN” – Congratulations! – you’re ready to be owned by a Golden Retriever!
… and yes, for the obsessive-compulsive types there ARE 13 reasons – not ten – but “the top 13 reasons” just sounded
silly :)
The National Rescue Committee is a committee of the Golden Retriever Club of America. For more information about the
GRCA Please click on their logo to the left.
Acceptance and use of the information contained on this web site constitutes an acknowledgment
that the user hereby releases and indemnifies the GRCA, and its officers, directors, members, and
agents from any and all liability
Please read this before contacting us
about one of our puppies....
about one of our puppies....
Info on "English type":
There are no such thing as "White Goldens". There are goldens that come in a very
pale
creme coloration, but this is not "white" nor is it "rare". This color can be found in both
American and European lines. I have seen a lot of misunderstandings when it comes
to
"type" as well. Many breeders are seen categorizing a dog, as "English" type
because it
has a larger head or categorizing a dog as "American" because it is long in the leg
with
or with a smaller head. This is an unfortunate result of the person's ignorance about
the
breed. "English" type is more then just head size. If a pedigree does not contain,
immediate English imports, it is an American dog (and you can find English type in
American lines but the dog is not an "import") Type is an overall look or appearance to
the dog. Not all English dogs are "white" or creme, as some would have you to
believe. In fact, while in England, to see Crufts, I saw several , very dark colored dogs
who were born raised and produced only from English stock. I also saw many English
raised, bred, and pedigreed dogs that were very "American" in type as well. Also,
temperament between English and American dogs, if correct, should not vary. English
bred goldens are no more laid back than those born here in the US. You can get light
colored, nice heads on an American dog just as easily as you can European bred
animals. So don't be fooled into buying something that is not what it seems. Both
types,
are just as good as the other. Both, when purchased from a responsible breeder, can
be
long lived family companions
naples@comcast.net to me
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Hi Jacquie,
Chloe is doing well.
She is sleeping through the night and
is coming along well with the house
training.
She loves to chew on sticks.
Here are a few pictures.
We Love her!
Lydia
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Hi Jacquie,
Chloe is doing well.
She is sleeping through the night and
is coming along well with the house
training.
She loves to chew on sticks.
Here are a few pictures.
We Love her!
Lydia
lindar >
toJacquie Skadeland
<shoenpferde@gmail.com>
dateWed, 2008 at 11:29 AM
subjectRe: Puppy
hide details 11:29 AM (2 hours
ago) Reply
Baxter is doing very well, as you
can see from the recent pictures
I attached. He weighs about 50
pounds, and just completed
Puppy kindergarten last week..
We are enjoying him very much.
How are the other puppies from
the littler doing? Are they about
the same size? If you would like
to see him sometime, we'll be
happy to bring him down to visit
you.
Thanks...Linda
toJacquie Skadeland
<shoenpferde@gmail.com>
dateWed, 2008 at 11:29 AM
subjectRe: Puppy
hide details 11:29 AM (2 hours
ago) Reply
Baxter is doing very well, as you
can see from the recent pictures
I attached. He weighs about 50
pounds, and just completed
Puppy kindergarten last week..
We are enjoying him very much.
How are the other puppies from
the littler doing? Are they about
the same size? If you would like
to see him sometime, we'll be
happy to bring him down to visit
you.
Thanks...Linda
Baxter, - Lilly and Dakota 2008
Litter
Litter
RUN-DON'T WALK-AWAY if you are taken to see the puppies or the parents that are housed/confined in kennel runs.
Always ask where the adults, parents and puppies are raised and maintained "from birth" and into their adult life. The
Goldens are very people oriented and should never be raised or housed in kennel runs with limited exercise and
socialization. This tells you more about the breeder than anything else no matter what their credentials might be.
Always ask where the adults, parents and puppies are raised and maintained "from birth" and into their adult life. The
Goldens are very people oriented and should never be raised or housed in kennel runs with limited exercise and
socialization. This tells you more about the breeder than anything else no matter what their credentials might be.
All of our Dogs have had hips
Pre-lim checked ( x-rayd looked
at by a Veterinarian) Or Penn Hip
Cleared- Rated and /or Ofa -
Xrays checked and approved by
Vets at Ofa. This Litter-( Dam
had prelim Xrays at Vet) Sire has
Penn Hips done- .
Pre-lim checked ( x-rayd looked
at by a Veterinarian) Or Penn Hip
Cleared- Rated and /or Ofa -
Xrays checked and approved by
Vets at Ofa. This Litter-( Dam
had prelim Xrays at Vet) Sire has
Penn Hips done- .
Man domesticated the dog to be a companion animal. We, then, bear the awesome responsibility for all dogs to have
loving homes, to receive appropriate medical care and training, to be relieved of the burden of careless procreation, and
to live a life free of hunger, illness, fear, and violence. Simply because all people can own a dog doesn't mean they
should. Careful thought to and planning for the lifestyle changes inherent to owning a dog is necessary before including
one in your life.
"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole."
- Roger Caras, 1928-2001
loving homes, to receive appropriate medical care and training, to be relieved of the burden of careless procreation, and
to live a life free of hunger, illness, fear, and violence. Simply because all people can own a dog doesn't mean they
should. Careful thought to and planning for the lifestyle changes inherent to owning a dog is necessary before including
one in your life.
"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole."
- Roger Caras, 1928-2001
Golden Retriever History II– The Wavy-Coated Retriever
tags: Featherstone Castle Setter, Flat-coated retriever, golden retriever, Setters, wavy-
coated retriever, Welsh Black setterby retrieverman
This is a depiction of a St. John's Water Dog with long hair. Most breed historians discount
the long haired variety of this particular breed, but this variety played an important role in
the development of the wavy-coated retriever, the ancestral variety for both golden
retriever and the flat-coat.
The wavy-coated retriever is an important early retriever breed. It is the ancestral variety
to both the golden retriever and the flat-coat, and it is an important out-cross to the
Labrador retriever.
The wavy-coat descends from the St. John’s Water Dog, which may have had long-haired
dogs in its type. This breed is credited with being ancestral to all retrievers, except the
curly-coat, which was in development before this breed from the island of Newfoundland
(the island part of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador) was imported to
Britain. (The curly probably was crossed with this dog at some point, however). The wavy-
coat was developed when the word retriever described a function rather than a breed. Any
dog that picked up shot game could be a retriever. Collies, setters, pointers, land spaniels,
and water spaniels were all probably used as retrievers and cross-bred. The St. John’s
Water dog just happened to be a very good retriever dog, and it became the ur dog from
which all retrievers eventually were developed.
The early retrievers looked something like this:
At the top is a cross between a water spaniel and a St.John's Water dog; From left to right:
a cross between a water spaniel and setter, and two crosses between a setter and a St.
John's Water Dog.
This picture comes from a bookby a British officer named William Nelson Hutchinson called
Dog Breaking: The Most Expeditious, Certain, and Easy Methods, an early encyclopedia of
training hunting dogs of all types. The dogs at the bottom are typical of early wavy-coats,
while the dog at the top is probably a good clue about how the curly-coated retriever
developed once the St. John’s Water Dog was imported. In the original, where I have put
the word “St. John’s Water Dog,” the author had the word “Newfoundland.” I changed it
because at the time the words were interchangeable, but today, Newfoundland dog is a
large mastiff type dog derived from this breed and bred from the late eigthteenth century
to the mid-nineteenth century as a fad family pet. The modern dog called the
Newfoundland has many genetic problems, which came from overbreeding as a much larger
dog. It has a gentle temperament, but it lacks most of its original working instincts. This
should be a warning to all retriever lovers, especially those who like the working instincts
and healthy bodies of working retrievers. The same thing is happening to our dogs.
The wavy-coat began as a St. John’s Water Dog and setter cross. Something like this:
This dog is listed as a setter/retriever cross. It's probably a cross between a short-haired
St. John's Water Dog and a setter. It is typical of early wavy-coats.
These dogs became rather popular among the shooting estates. The short-haired St. Johns
Water Dogs that existed in Newfoundland at that time were held by very few people in
England. The short-haired variety was more common in Newfoundland at the time, because
the long-haired variety tended to get bogged down in ice. Short-haired dogs can swim
faster. However, most British gentry had wavy-coats derived from the long-haired dogs of
this type and setter crosses. It would make sense, then, that the Newfoundland fishermen
were more likely to export long-haired puppies from their Water Dog litters. However, the
short-haired variety did make to England, and were used extensively in the development of
the Labrador.
The wavy-coat’s other important ancestor was the setter. However, at this time, there were
more breeds of setter than the three that exist right now. Welsh black setters were
common on shooting estates, and they were certainly used in the Wavy-coated cross.
Another variety existed called the Featherstone Castle setter in Scotland that produced
yellow and light red setters that were probably also used in the development of the Tweed
water spaniel. Gordon setters were in development here, too, and solid red gordon setters
were not unknown. All of these, along with the Irish setters (solid red and red and white
weren’t separate breeds) and English setters (of all strains), were crossed with the St. John’
s water dog. As a result of crossing with setters, genes for yellow and red were introduced
into the wavy-coat.
During most of the nineteenth century, black retrievers were the preferred color. Blacks
were supposedly easier to train. Yellow or red puppies were culled or drowned.
One reddish colored wavy coat was born to the Earl of Chichester in 1864. Instead of being
killed, he was given in lieu of a debt to a cobbler at Brighton. The cobbler had no real use
for a working retriever, but he kept him as a pet. Dudley Coutts Marjoribanks happened
upon this dog and offered to buy him from the cobbler in 1865. Marjoribanks was a Liberal
MP for Berwick-upon-Tweed and had a large shooting estate in Inverness-shire called
“Guisachan.” Marjoribanks’s title was 1st Baron Tweedmouth, and that man would start the
first strain of yellow wavy-coats, which would effect the devlopment of the wavy-coated
breed and, later, the flat-coated breed, as well.
This concludes Golden Retriever History II. I will begin with the actual development of the
golden retriever from that reddish wavy-coat named “Nous,” which means wisdom.
tags: Featherstone Castle Setter, Flat-coated retriever, golden retriever, Setters, wavy-
coated retriever, Welsh Black setterby retrieverman
This is a depiction of a St. John's Water Dog with long hair. Most breed historians discount
the long haired variety of this particular breed, but this variety played an important role in
the development of the wavy-coated retriever, the ancestral variety for both golden
retriever and the flat-coat.
The wavy-coated retriever is an important early retriever breed. It is the ancestral variety
to both the golden retriever and the flat-coat, and it is an important out-cross to the
Labrador retriever.
The wavy-coat descends from the St. John’s Water Dog, which may have had long-haired
dogs in its type. This breed is credited with being ancestral to all retrievers, except the
curly-coat, which was in development before this breed from the island of Newfoundland
(the island part of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador) was imported to
Britain. (The curly probably was crossed with this dog at some point, however). The wavy-
coat was developed when the word retriever described a function rather than a breed. Any
dog that picked up shot game could be a retriever. Collies, setters, pointers, land spaniels,
and water spaniels were all probably used as retrievers and cross-bred. The St. John’s
Water dog just happened to be a very good retriever dog, and it became the ur dog from
which all retrievers eventually were developed.
The early retrievers looked something like this:
At the top is a cross between a water spaniel and a St.John's Water dog; From left to right:
a cross between a water spaniel and setter, and two crosses between a setter and a St.
John's Water Dog.
This picture comes from a bookby a British officer named William Nelson Hutchinson called
Dog Breaking: The Most Expeditious, Certain, and Easy Methods, an early encyclopedia of
training hunting dogs of all types. The dogs at the bottom are typical of early wavy-coats,
while the dog at the top is probably a good clue about how the curly-coated retriever
developed once the St. John’s Water Dog was imported. In the original, where I have put
the word “St. John’s Water Dog,” the author had the word “Newfoundland.” I changed it
because at the time the words were interchangeable, but today, Newfoundland dog is a
large mastiff type dog derived from this breed and bred from the late eigthteenth century
to the mid-nineteenth century as a fad family pet. The modern dog called the
Newfoundland has many genetic problems, which came from overbreeding as a much larger
dog. It has a gentle temperament, but it lacks most of its original working instincts. This
should be a warning to all retriever lovers, especially those who like the working instincts
and healthy bodies of working retrievers. The same thing is happening to our dogs.
The wavy-coat began as a St. John’s Water Dog and setter cross. Something like this:
This dog is listed as a setter/retriever cross. It's probably a cross between a short-haired
St. John's Water Dog and a setter. It is typical of early wavy-coats.
These dogs became rather popular among the shooting estates. The short-haired St. Johns
Water Dogs that existed in Newfoundland at that time were held by very few people in
England. The short-haired variety was more common in Newfoundland at the time, because
the long-haired variety tended to get bogged down in ice. Short-haired dogs can swim
faster. However, most British gentry had wavy-coats derived from the long-haired dogs of
this type and setter crosses. It would make sense, then, that the Newfoundland fishermen
were more likely to export long-haired puppies from their Water Dog litters. However, the
short-haired variety did make to England, and were used extensively in the development of
the Labrador.
The wavy-coat’s other important ancestor was the setter. However, at this time, there were
more breeds of setter than the three that exist right now. Welsh black setters were
common on shooting estates, and they were certainly used in the Wavy-coated cross.
Another variety existed called the Featherstone Castle setter in Scotland that produced
yellow and light red setters that were probably also used in the development of the Tweed
water spaniel. Gordon setters were in development here, too, and solid red gordon setters
were not unknown. All of these, along with the Irish setters (solid red and red and white
weren’t separate breeds) and English setters (of all strains), were crossed with the St. John’
s water dog. As a result of crossing with setters, genes for yellow and red were introduced
into the wavy-coat.
During most of the nineteenth century, black retrievers were the preferred color. Blacks
were supposedly easier to train. Yellow or red puppies were culled or drowned.
One reddish colored wavy coat was born to the Earl of Chichester in 1864. Instead of being
killed, he was given in lieu of a debt to a cobbler at Brighton. The cobbler had no real use
for a working retriever, but he kept him as a pet. Dudley Coutts Marjoribanks happened
upon this dog and offered to buy him from the cobbler in 1865. Marjoribanks was a Liberal
MP for Berwick-upon-Tweed and had a large shooting estate in Inverness-shire called
“Guisachan.” Marjoribanks’s title was 1st Baron Tweedmouth, and that man would start the
first strain of yellow wavy-coats, which would effect the devlopment of the wavy-coated
breed and, later, the flat-coated breed, as well.
This concludes Golden Retriever History II. I will begin with the actual development of the
golden retriever from that reddish wavy-coat named “Nous,” which means wisdom.
Some Interesting History on The Origins Of Golden Retrievers!
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